that is how you create diverse environment and university system. i think it's important, we can separate, sure, there are failures in k-12ducation, we have to deal with those but that's no excuse for banning affirmative action in colleges and universities. that leads to then the kine of diversity that we need to see in our workforce. >> don't you -- on some level don't you think -- i know if you're hillary clinton had been elected president i know that no where would anybody feel it was necessary to give women -- to make women part of affirmative action any more. don't you think if the country has elected an african american president that you can say on some level that, yeah, still exists but certainly not at the level wilt was when affirmative action was started. >> you know a way that you can argue just because -- i celebrate president barack obama's election to president but that doesn't mean we fought all the problems, that inclusion and diversity we have lot of work to do. i think that we have to set about doing that work, we need to improve